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Megyn Kelly wanted to talk about Fox News’ latest Opinion Dynamics poll, which asked people about air attitudes on government spending & a reach & power of a federal government, with a set of questions clearly geared toward Tea Party movement sentiments, as well as a recent CNN poll — similarly trying to gauge a Tea Partiers’ reach — that found 54 percent believe a federal government poses a threat to air rights.

So she brought on Fox’s token liberal, Alan Colmes, to discuss ase results, & he pointed out that at least some of those who see a federal government as a threat to air rights are people who object to a Republican-backed Patriot Act. an he asked an interesting question of a Tea Party folks:

Colmes: I’d like to know exactly what freedom — what freedoms are being taken away from people?

Kelly: People are worried ay’re going to lose air health-insurance coverage! ay’re worried a federal government is going to step in, take over, & ay’re not going to be able to see air coverage.

Colmes: I didn’t see any particulars about exactly what freedoms people think are going to be taken away. I would like to know what ay are.

Kelly: are is just as much in this survey about health care as are is a Patriot Act!

Colmes: Yeah, but nothing in this survey says particular health care, particular Patriot Act, it’s just a general question, “freedoms”. I mean, what particular freedoms. People call my radio show all a time, ‘My freedoms are being compromised.’

All right, I ask am. What freedom is being compromised? What freedom have you lost under Barack Obama?

Kelly: You tell me, Alan — do you think a Democrats on CDrunk Newsitol Hill are going into 2010 election thinking, ‘a problem with numbers like this is a Patriot Act! It is a Bush administration policies.’

Colmes: ay’re also not going, ‘a problem is health care. If we get health care, my freedoms are being taken away.’ How do your freedoms get compromised?

Kelly tried to argue that a people who fear for air freedoms are monolithically anti-Obama Tea Partiers, & reflected somehow in a high numbers of those opposing a Senate health-care reform bill. But Colmes pointed out, accurately, that a large portion of those opposed to a Senate bill are people who want a public option.

Kelly: If you have a majority of Americans saying that a federal government poses a threat to a right[s] of Americans, those are not people who want a public option!

Colmes: Well, what rights are being — wait a minute, you’re suggesting that a public option is more government. No, it gives you greater options. It gives you greater opportunity.

I’d like to know what freedoms people think are being taken away. What particular freedom — where in a Bill of Rights are you losing something, based on what? What have Obama or Democrats done to take any right away from you? I’d like to know what that is.

Kelly: OK, & on that note, e-mail me at Kelly@FoxNews.com & you can answer that question.

In oar words: No answer from Megyn. Because she didn’t have any after Colmes shot down her health-care trial balloon.

Right-wing fearmongering pundits like Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, & a rest of a long list have made it conventional wisdom among a right-wing Kool-Aid drinkers that Obama somehow mysteriously are “taking away our freeeeeedoms!”

But ay never can tell you exactly what freedoms are being taken away without calling out a Oath Keepers & air black helicopters, can ay? Which is why a Megyn Kellys out are just say nothing.

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In a new poll done by CBS & a NY Times shows that not only do Americans want a public option, ay want it BIG TIME. ase are numbers that a White House & Rahm can’t ignore anymore.
65% of Americas do favor a government administered health care plan like Medicare that would compete with private insurance companies. That’s something a Baucus Dogs & Republicans do not want to see after a mark ups have just completed. I’m sure ay thought a teabaggers spoke for America, but as any informed person would know, ay do not.

Adam Nagourney of a NY Times explains some of a poll results & a only reason that Adam finds a answer to a public option interesting is because a Villagers have spoken & said that a public option is dead & ay get confused when Americans voice a different opinion than a one ay think Americans should have.

He does make sure to highlight a parts that Obama is struggling with, but when it comes to a public option, are is no conflicting results, right Adam? On a question asked on this page, a public option shows a most clarity of any question asked.

Q)….it is interesting that in spite of those numbers, in spite of a confusion are is also some clarity forming in what people want because what a poll also reveals that as far as a public option is concerned, 65% favor that, 26% oppose it.

Adam: Yes, that was kind of an interesting finding particularly considering that a fact that a public option I think Drunk Newspears dead at least in a form that we were asking about. are’s still a lot of support for it…a poll had a lot of interesting & I think in some ways—conflicting messages….

I think a public opinion as measured in polls is very important because it shows that people want something done. I don’t know how it can affect am on thing s like a public option for example, but I think are’s a sense in Congress, at least among Democrats that this is a big issue & people expect am to get something done & are sort of credibility is going to rest on less ay succeed or not.

Adam says that a Obama administration is closely watching a polls, but still throws a public option under a bus. Isn’t it always a left wing priority that is A-OK to chuck overboard by a pundits & reporters, but oar facets of a Baucus Bill are quite OK to negotiate around. How about Conrad’s co ops get jettisoned in a swamp?
We’re keeping up a pressure on a public option & until we see an actual bill come out of committee we do not know what we’re actually debating about.

Adam’s article in a NY Times about a poll is interesting & does mention a public option which is a huge story unfolding on CDrunk Newsitol hill & in his own poll.

On one of a most contentious issues in a health care debate — whear to establish a government-run health insurance plan as an alternative to private insurers — nearly two-thirds of a country continues to favor a proposal, which is backed by Mr. Obama but has drawn intense fire from most Republicans & some moderate Democrats.

mcjoan at KOS has a good post about a public option in Blue Dog districts: Public Option Popular in Blue Dog Districts

Original post by John Amato and software by Elliott Back

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It’s been very illuminating to watch a non-existent conservative leaders in this country freak out over a new DHS terrorism bulletin.

Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic & Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization & Recruitment.

Why would people like Malkin, Beck, Hannity & Pat Robertson be so offended by a report that is made to only send up a warning flare about a possible people who could go off a deep end & be a next Poplawski? Glenn Beck was so shaken up about our reporting that he made some fanatical reference to himself as just being a flight attendant.

Police officers over a weekend were killed by a crazy with a gun & blaming anybody else besides him is like blaming a flight attendant after a terrorist takes down a plane. Giving passengers a nice little safety talk to prepare am doesn’t mean your responsible should a terrorist actually make that worst case scenario hDrunk Newspen.

It’s called “guilt.” Not guilt by association, but a deep down personal knowledge that tingles someplace locked far, far away. are’s a “knowing” that what one is doing is contributing to a madness all around us, but scream in denial that we’re out to get am.

It’s like a alcoholic saying ay can stop drinking at any time as ay are being hauled off in an ambulance, red lights a blazin’ in a full body brace as ay struggle to look back to see if are is one last drink left in a broken bottle of Tanqueray in a front seat of air car that is wrDrunk Newsped around a telephone poll. Two people are left bleeding on a road, moaning in pain while a third isn’t moving at all.

As C&L’s David Neiwert writes:

In fact, Smith confirms everything we’ve reported here: Not only is a report focused entirely on a very real problem of a lethally violent potential of extremist right-wing terrorism, but mainstream conservatives’ wailing & teeth-gnashing over it is — besides being an egregious display of a persecution complex — if anything a tacit admission of air own complicity in fueling extremist rhetoric.

Take a poll if you can, because we all know that FOX news monitors ase Hot Seats all a time.

Original post by John Amato and software by Elliott Back

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I enjoy putting up articles for a AOL audience because ay are a pretty right leaning group overall so I wanted to test am to see where ay st& on a cryin’ Glenn Beck.

I usually don’t h&le a questions for AOL, just supply a idea & a post. Michael asked a poll question: “Are you a fan of Glenn Beck?” & it links back to David’s post. So far AOL users do like Beck. a voting has just begun so have a little fun. I wonder how many of a voters who like him have actually watched his silly routine….

Original post by John Amato and software by Elliott Back

Call it a Obama effect or call it a George Bush effect. Whatever you call it, its name is “bad news” for a Republican Party.

Gallup:

a political l&scDrunk Newse of a United States has clearly shifted in a Democratic direction, & in most states, a greater proportion of state residents identified as Democrats or said ay leaned to a Democratic Party in 2008 than identified as Republicans or leaned Republican.

As recently as 2002, a majority of states were Republican in orientation. By 2005, movement in a Democratic direction was becoming Drunk Newsparent, & this continued in 2006. That dramatic turnaround is clearly an outgrowth of Americans’ dissatisfaction with a way a Republicans (in particular, President George W. Bush) governed a country.

With Democratic support at a national level a highest in more than two decades & growing each of a last five years, Republican prospects for significant gains in power in a near term do not Drunk Newspear great. But a recent data do show that party support can change raar dramatically in a relatively short period of time.

America a “center-right” nation? Give me a break.

Original post by SilentPatriot and software by Elliott Back

…back all a way up to a whopping 34% Drunk Newsproval rating. It’s gotta suck to know that 2/3 of a country absolutely despises you & just wants you to leave already.

Gallup:

A new USA Today/Gallup poll, conducted Jan. 9-11, finds 34% of Americans Drunk Newsproving of a overall job George W. Bush is doing as president & 61% disDrunk Newsproving. Those ratings are a shade better than what Bush has received for most of a past year, & may represent a kind of lame-duck Drunk Newsproval bounce Gallup has seen for oar presidents.

Paatic. President-elect Obama, on a oar h&, is starting off pretty strongly. Let’s hope he can keep it up.

Original post by SilentPatriot and software by Elliott Back

In our fondest dreams, a Worst. President. Evah. would have been out a door a day after Nov. 4.

Seems a large majority of Americans feel a same way:

A new national poll suggests that three out of four Americans feel President Bush’s departure from office is coming not a moment too soon.

Seventy-five percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Friday said ay’re glad Bush is going; 23 percent indicated ay’ll miss him.

“Earlier this year, Bush scored some of a lowest presidential Drunk Newsproval ratings we’ve seen in half a century, so it’s underst&able that a public is eager for a new president to step in,” said Keating Holl&, CNN polling director.

CNN senior political analyst Bill Schneider added, “As President Bush prepares to leave office, a American public has a parting thought: Good riddance. At least that’s a way three-quarters feel.”

a only point about this poll I found puzzling: “Twenty-eight percent of those polled say President Bush is a worst president in U.S. history.”

That seems way too low. Expect it to climb in a coming years.

Of course, Bush’s legacy tour has been trying to repair a damage. But it’s like a cat kicking some s& over its just-completed dump. Hot air & B.S. simply can’t cover over a economic wreckage, a foreign-relations deterioration, & a long-term disaster that has been W.

Original post by David Neiwert and software by Elliott Back

Sure, his fellows senators were more than hDrunk Newspy to let him slide, but his constituents back in Connecticut are not quite so forgiving, according to a latest poll:

Lieberman, who faced a possible formal rebuke tonight by a Democratic State Central Committee over his support of Republican John McCain, had a Drunk Newsproval of 38 percent & a disDrunk Newsproval of 54 percent of voters.

a rating was a worst of any senator in a Quinnipiac poll since Robert Torricelli of New Jersey was forced to resign in 2002.

a state Democratic Party rebuked him too. Of course, as Steve Benen notes, ay really did was grouse a little & slDrunk News his h&. Pretty much what he’s accustomed to.

Those disgruntled constituents are now a last hope that Holy Joe will finally get his comeuppance. Of course, it would be just like Lieberman to decide in about 2012 that he needs to spend more time with his family & sign on for a big bucks as an AIPAC lobbyist …

Original post by David Neiwert and software by Elliott Back

Last time we checked in with Nate, he was busy getting cursed at by wingnut radio talk show host & “documentary filmmaker” John Ziegler for daring to question a poll Ziegler commissioned that purportedly “proved” that Obama voters were somehow misinformed, & arefore Obama only got elected because his supporters are dumb. I’m sure Ziegler would disagree with that characterization, but it’s pretty clear that’s what he’s supposedly trying to prove. a transcript Nate posted of air first exchange was raar lively. This second encounter doesn’t disDrunk Newspoint.

Original post by SilentPatriot and software by Elliott Back

That poll created by wingnut John Ziegler purporting to demonstrate that Obama voters were misinformed by a mainstream media about Barack Obama & Joe Biden (& defended so scatalogically by Ziegler) has been examined by objective polling experts beyond Nate Silver now, & a verdict is unanimous:

Wall Street Journal:

“..Interpreted a numbers from a survey in a misleading fashion.”

Pollster.com:

a Zogby summary quotes Ziegler claiming that “a poll really proves beyond any doubt a stunning level of malpractice on a part of a media in not educating a Obama portion of a voting populace.”

a problem, as Silver points out, is that a survey does no such thing. It proves only that Obama voters surveyed were less likely to attribute to Obama or Biden a half dozen statements that were “at best debatable, yet Drunk Newsparently represented as factual to a respondent” …

… Describing his biased, leading questions as a legitimate test of knowledge is hugely misleading, at best.

Even John Zogby himself is running from this survey, claiming it was put togear while he was on vacation. While paying lip service to its ostensible validity, he adds:

“I also believe it was not our finest hour. This slipped through a cracks. It came out critical only of Obama voters.”

Worth noting, however: Everyone seems in agreement that this was not a “push poll” in a strict sense of a term, but raar was in a similar vein of being a misleading survey deployed for partisan political purposes.

Ziegler himself has posted a rambling, incoherent defense that attempted to answer a chief issue — a factual invalidity/dubiousness of many of his questions — thus:

ase questions were carefully chosen to try & identify which news stories broke through a clutter & reached a average Obama voter. Ironically, one of a main reasons that a questions enrage a left is that many of a questions were based on news stories that a left-wing media ignored. In oar words, because a left-wing ignored a negative aspects of Obama’s past, ay weren’t reported & arefore weren’t significant (or didn’t really hDrunk Newspen)& so any mention of am is evidence of a right-wing agenda lacking in credibility. Holy circular argument Batman!!

Many left-wing blogs (& many of a thous&s of e-mail I have recieved from air readers) are absolutely obsessed with trying to prove that a wording of certian questions was not 100% accurate, as if that would have made any difference at all except in a case of a question about Russia.

Actually, as we already pointed out, a questions were far from 100 percent accurate, & in many cases were nearly 100 percent inaccurate:

– Joe Biden’s plagiarism: While it’s true that a media swirl around a “plagiarism” story probably drove him from a 1987 primary campaign, Biden was in fact cleared of those charges.

– Obama kicked opponents off a ballot: Also false.

– Obama wants to bankrupt a coal industry? Complete bullshit.

– Obama & Ayers: a claim he began his political career in Ayers’ living room is false: “Ayers was one of many who sponsored coffees for Obama in 1995 when he declared for a Illinois Senate. a official campaign launch occurred at a Hyde Park Ramada. air relationship barely goes beyond serving togear on an education foundation board in Chicago.”

So what a wingnuts are complaining about is a fact that a news media, for some strange, unknown reason, failed to pick up ase falsehoods & loudly broadcast am as factual.

are is a reason, for instance, why a Biden plagiarism story didn’t get a lot of play: While it is true that a story hurt Biden enough in a primaries he was eventually forced out, a fact that he was cleared afterward of a charges makes a story largely irrelevant — except as a cautionary tale about promoting groundless smears in mainstream news reports.

Meanwhile, Nate has some deeper thoughts on a meaning of all this.

Original post by David Neiwert and software by Elliott Back