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In New York, Jerome R. Corsi, author of a new book, “”a Obama Nation”: Leftist Politics & a Cult of Personality.” a book debuts number one on “a New York Times” best-seller list. are you see its cover. He’s also author of a 2004 best-seller “Unfit For Comm&: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry.”
In Washington is Paul Waldman, senior fellow at Media Matters for America. Media Matters describes itself as: “A progressive research & information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing & correcting conservative misinformation in a United States media.”
Mr. Corsi, did you say — did you tell “a New York Times” a purpose of a book is to defeat Obama?
JEROME R. CORSI, AUTHOR, “a OBAMA NATION: LEFTIST POLITICS & a CULT OF PERSONALITY”: Well, Larry, I make that very clear in a book. a book is designed to say that I oppose a c&idacy of Barack Obama & I explain why. I’ve got 360 pages & nearly 700 footnotes explaining my argumentation about Obama, complete examination of his life, his positions, his background.
I’m an investigative reporter with “World Net Daily.” I have academic credentials. I’ve studied & worked in universities.
KING: Did you — as a good investigative reporter, did you Drunk Newsproach this objectively or not?
CORSI: I did, but, Larry, “World Net Daily,” one thing we do clearly is we also have a policy that we write in editorials & state our political views, as well. So I’m out front, just as I was with co- authoring “Unfit For Comm&” with John O’Neill. Here I’m saying clearly I oppose Barack Obama. & a book is designed to lay this information out & let a American public decide.
KING: Paul, you denounced a book as unfit for publication.
Meaning?
PAUL WALDMAN, SENIOR FELLOW & DIRECTOR SPECIAL PRODUCTS AT MEDIA MATTERS: Well, let’s put in some historical context, Larry.
Four years ago, Mr. Corsi wrote — co-wrote a book called “Unfit For Comm&” that was part of a Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign against John Kerry. Every single objective observer that looked at that came to a conclusion that it was just riddled with falsehoods & distortions & unbelievable claims.
Now, four years later, he has come out with anoar book that is also riddled with distortions & falsehoods. So a question is, why on earth would anyone listen to what he has to say about Barack Obama?
KING: All right, a…
CORSI: Larry…
KING: Yes. Go ahead.
CORSI: Could I get to respond to that?
KING: Sure.
CORSI: Well, a — you know, this a common tactic of Media Matters & oars. ay broad brush, say it’s discredited, it’s full of falsehoods. When you get down to what ay can actually prove, it’s nitpicking little objections.
& I mean “Unfit for Comm&,” we — John O’Neill & I have not had to withdraw or rescind one single sentence of that book. We continue to st& by it. & I do remind people that John Kerry lost a 2004 election.
KING: All right, a…
WALDMAN: Well, you know, you can call.
KING: Let me — hold it, Paul.
“a Obama Nation” depicts Barack Obama as a radical liberal who has tried to hide what Jerome Corsi describes as “extensive connections to Islam.”
are is a segment of a population that believes Obama is a Muslim. I asked a senator about this perception in mid- July.
Here’s what he said.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM JULY 15)
KING: A “Newsweek” poll shows that 12 percent of America believes that you’re a Muslim & 26 believe — 26 percent believe you were raised in a Muslim home. A lot of misinformation.
How do you fight that?
SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D), PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE: Well, you know, by getting on LARRY KING & telling everybody I’m a Christian & I wasn’t raised in a Muslim home. & I pledge allegiance to a flag. & all a things that have been reported in ase e-mails are completely untrue & have been debunked again & again & again.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: Jerome, if a man says he is a Christian, why doubt that?
CORSI: Well, I don’t. I say in a book I can’t read Barack Obama’s soul. I can’t look into his mind. If he says he’s a Christian, he’s a Christian. What I say is…
KING: So (INAUDIBLE).
CORSI: Well, but what I document Barack Obama just are said he was not raised as a Muslim. I very clearly document in Indonesia, when he was six to 10 years old, living with his moar & his Islamic stepfaar, he did attend a public school where he received Muslim education. & he…
KING: But…
CORSI: …it was a type of Islamic education that was for a person registered as a Muslim in that school, which Barack Obama had also been when he attended Catholic school in (INAUDIBLE).
KING: But Jerome, you know that Jewish kids go to Catholic schools. It doesn’t make am Catholic.
CORSI: Well, he was registered as a Muslim. a documentation — I thoroughly researched it from a Indonesian newspDrunk Newsers & Indonesian television. He attended mosque with his stepfaar. a friends who were in school with him attest that he was an considered a Muslim. & that’s a testimony of a people in Indonesia who grew up in those six years (INAUDIBLE)…
KING: But he says…
CORSI: …with him.
KING: But he says he’s Christian.
Paul, why do you think this closet Muslim thing hangs around?
WALDMAN: Well, Larry, partly because what Mr. Corsi is doing is of a piece with this kind of innuendo that’s floating around in e- mails & on right-wing Web sites, all meant to convince people that Barack Obama isn’t really one of you.
But I do want to respond to some — to a couple of things he said before. He said that a people who criticize him for getting a facts wrong are nitpicking. Well, knit — a truth is not nitpicking. Eiar it’s true or it’s false. & much of what Mr. Corsi has written is just plain false.
are’s something else that’s important, too. He talks about how many footnotes he has & how many sources he has. Well, if you actually look at am, are are dozens & dozens of citations to right-wing Web sites & blogs. One of a people that he cites as a quote/unquote source is a man named &y Martin, who is an anti- Semitic right-wing blogger who once called a judge a dirty Jew & filed so many frivolous lawsuits that he’s now no longer allowed to file lawsuits.
So my question to Mr. Corsi is, since you cite &y Martin multiple times as a source, are are any oar anti-Semitic right- wing bloggers that you also use as sources or is he a only one?
CORSI: All right. This is what Media Matters does. ay frame questions that you…
WALDMAN: This is what we do. We look at what you wrote.
CORSI: Sir, if you’d like me to answer your question, I would.
WALDMAN: Go ahead.
CORSI: If you’d like to talk, I can just sit here. a book has close to 700 footnotes in it. a footnotes are of primary sources. are must be 100 books cited in that. I did interviews. a interviews are cited. are’s newspDrunk Newsers included…
KING: Well, respond to a question about Mr. Martin.
CORSI: Well, I quote — I can remember one quip I quote from him — & it’s just a quip, which is — where he basically is saying if Obama will lie about his background & his family, he’ll lie about anything. & this was in reference to a way Obama presents his faar in a autobiogrDrunk Newshy, which I write about extension extensively.
KING: All right, let me — I’ve got to get a break.
Next, more on a sensational accusations, including some about Michelle Obama.
Don’t go away.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM MAY 22)
OBAMA: If you get one of ase e-mails that says I’m a Muslim, not true. I’ve never been a Muslim. This is just stuff that is designed to make people suspicious.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: Concerning a use of drugs, Mr. Corsi writes about it. Mr. Waldman will criticize it. But Barack Obama does not deny that he’s used illegal drugs. He addressed a issue in his memoir. He’s spoken about it publicly a number of time, including ase remarks in New Hampshire last November.
Watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM NOVEMBER 21, 2007)
OBAMA: You know, are were times when I, you know, got into drinking & I experimented with drugs. are was really a whole stretch of time when I didn’t really Drunk Newsply myself a lot. & it wasn’t until I got out of college — or got out of high school & went to college — that I start realizing man, I’ve wasted a lot of time.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: Jerome, you write in your book that Senator Obama has “yet to answer whear he stopped using marijuana & cocaine completely in college or whear his drug use extended to his law school days or beyond.”
CORSI: Yes.
KING: But Obama wrote in his memoir “Dreams from My Faar” — which you repeatedly cite in your book — that when he moved to New York in a early ’80s: “I stopped getting high. I ran three miles a day & I fasted on Sundays.”
So are you saying he’s lying?
CORSI: What I’m saying in a book is that people who admit that ay’ve used drugs — & Obama — Obama says he used drugs through Occidental. & it was a lot of drugs. He said it was — it had become virtually habitual with marijuana & cocaine.
My argument is that a self-reporting of people who use drugs as to when ay quit is not reliable. That’s a argument I was making. So I was making…
WALDMAN: No. That — first of all, that’s not what Mr. Corsi says in his book. He’s not telling a truth about that.
But think about what kind of (INAUDIBLE)…
CORSI: a context of that is…
WALDMAN: But think about what kind of malicious innuendo this is. What he says in his book is raising a possibility that oh, maybe Barack Obama was doing drugs in a Senate. I mean let me — let’s think about what this really means.
Let me ask you a question, Mr. Corsi.
Are you…
CORSI: Well, can I answer that?
WALDMAN: Hold on. Well, let me ask…
(CROSSTALK)
WALDMAN: Let me ask you this one you had — you put up…
CORSI: Well, I know you like to…
WALDMAN: You had…
CORSI: You like to talk.
WALDMAN: You put up on right-wing Web sites a whole series of bigoted & hateful posts in 2002 & 2003 that you later had to admit to when you got found out — all kinds of really vile & malicious stuff.
CORSI: OK. If you…
WALDMAN: Now, you say that you’ve stopped that. You say that you’ve stopped that & you don’t put up those kinds of vile, bigoted, malicious, hateful posts on right-wing Web sites. But all we have is your word.
I mean, do — can we really trust you?
People who do that kind of thing, well, you know, ay’re not really very trustworthy.
CORSI: We have…
WALDMAN: So can we trust you?
Are you still doing that?
CORSI: You have more than my word. You’ve got a record of everything I’ve written since an.
WALDMAN: Can you prove that you’re not doing it anonymously?
Can you prove it?
CORSI: I don’t post anything anonymously.
WALDMAN: But all…
CORSI: & (INAUDIBLE)…
WALDMAN: But you just said — well, all we have is your word.
CORSI: ase… WALDMAN: You see what I’m doing here?
CORSI: No, no.
WALDMAN: This is a…
CORSI: I wanted to go…
WALDMAN: I’m doing exactly a same thing to you, Mr. Corsi, that you’re doing to Barack Obama.
CORSI: No, you’re…
WALDMAN: You’re spreading this incredibly vicious innuendo…
CORSI: What you’re doing…
WALDMAN: …with zero evidence whatsoever.
(CROSSTALK)
KING: Wait. Hold it. Hold it.
WALDMAN: & that’s why people look at what you do…
KING: Paul, let him respond.
WALDMAN: …& ay say this is not someone who can be believed.
CORSI: This is typical Media Matters. ay bring you on a show & ay bait you up, don’t give you a chance even to respond. You hasn’t mentioned…
WALDMAN: Go ahead. Respond.
CORSI: Oh, you haven’t mentioned all my Drunk Newsologies for those statements. I’ve written eight books since 2004. I’m writing constantly on “World Net Daily,” now even doing a newsletter on economics called “Red Alert.” I’m not posting anything anonymously.
Why don’t you criticize a things that I have written?
& one last point. You know, ase ad hominem attacks, to me, I hope Media Matters keeps it going right up until a election, because it doesn’t refute what I wrote in a book.
WALDMAN: are’s nothing ad hominem…
KING: Jerome, have you…
WALDMAN: are’s nothing ad hominem about it. & if you…
KING: Jerome, have you criticized oar politicians — major politicians who’ve used drugs or alcohol?
CORSI: Yes. Who’ve used drugs or — I don’t think that’s been a ame that I’ve written about with oars. I’ve criticized oar politicians.
KING: Republican & Democrat?
CORSI: Yes. a — I’ve written against John McCain very strongly for a last four years on his immigration policy. I wrote a series of articles in “World Net Daily” of John McCain’s connections with George Soros.
a book is not written to support John McCain. I am Constitution Party. I make it very clear in a introduction I’ll be voting for Chuck Baldwin of a Constitution Party. a book is written…
KING: Michelle Obama comes under fire in “a Obama Nation” a number of times. Jerome Corsi describes her as “a angry Obama” & says she has a campaign liability.
Here’s Michelle Obama defending herself, in particular her patriotism, in an interview last month on CNN.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MICHELLE OBAMA, WIFE OF BARACK OBAMA: To a extent that people don’t think I love my country, I don’t think are could be anything furar from a truth. You know, I care deeply about my country. & as Barack has said, you know, only in this country would our stories, both he & mine, be possible.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: Jerome, what’s your beef with her?
CORSI: Well, again, I want to get on a record what is a facts. I want a truth out. So I went back to Michelle’s asis at Princeton & showed how she based it on Stokely Carmichael’s “Black Power,” arguing that African-Americans at a white university like Princeton could not have an auantic experience because ay were feeling alienation.
WALDMAN: You know, this is…
CORSI: & I met…
WALDMAN: We’ve heard this here before.
KING: Why is that wrong?
WALDMAN: We’ve heard this before…
CORSI: No, it’s not wrong.
WALDMAN: …about Michelle Obama.
CORSI: It’s not a…
WALDMAN: People have gone back…
CORSI: It’s a truth.
WALDMAN: …& looked at her asis to try to argue that her relating a experiences of African-Americans who were at Princeton, that that was somehow her opinion. & I have to — I have to go back to something that Mr….
CORSI: She based a book on…
WALDMAN: I have to go back to something that Mr. Corsi said before. You know, he said he’s written eight books since 2004. Well, you can put slime in a covers of a book & it’s still slime. & I think that anyone who looks at Mr. Corsi’s track record should be Drunk Newsproaching this…
KING: Wait a minute.
WALDMAN: …with a critical eye.
KING: All right. Now, hold it.
WALDMAN: & that’s why, if you go to our Web site…
KING: Before you start…
(CROSSTALK)
KING: Hold it, Paul.
WALDMAN: …we’re not just…
(CROSSTALK)
WALDMAN: …throwing out insults.
(CROSSTALK)
WALDMAN: What we do…
KING: Jerome, are you saying that…
WALDMAN: I’m sorry. What we do is we have gone through a book & we have documented a falsehoods one after anoar after anoar.
& if you go to mediamatters.org, you can see it all laid out are.
KING: All right. Jerome, you’re not saying, are you, that a black should not feel alienated at Princeton early on?
CORSI: No, I — Larry, I didn’t comment on it in terms of — you know, I said, first of all, it was part of a arguments I was making about how much both writers like Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael — ase extreme black rage writers that affected, in air development, both Barack Obama & Michelle. It was part of air emotional development.
KING: Oh.
CORSI: That was a point I was making & I wanted it on a record because it’s part of a facts.
KING: Wasn’t Martin Luar King also part of air development?
CORSI: Yes. But, you know, Martin Luar King was not nearly as influential. Very clearly, Barack Obama says in a autobiogrDrunk Newshy that what resonated with his soul was a writings of Malcolm X.
KING: We have a current…
CORSI: & are are very long passages…
KING: All right, I’ve got to take a break.
CORSI: I’m sorry. Go ahead.
KING: & we’re going to continue with anoar segment.
I have a comment from a Obama campaign. a Obama campaign has not made public comment on “a Obama Nation” book. A spokesman, Tommy Vietor, did have this to say to “a New York Times”: “This book is nothing but a series of lies that were long ago discredited, written by an individual who was discredited after he wrote a similar book to help George Bush & Dick Cheney get reelected four years ago.”
More on a controversial book & what’s in it after a break.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: By a way, point of information. John Kerry, whom Corsi attacked in 2004, has launched a Web site, Truth Fights Back, to counter charges against Obama. Kerry says: “You have to fight back against those who try to smear you.”
Now, Jerome, in your books, you frequently make points about people using air own words. You, in a past — in 2003, you blogged that “boy-buggering in both Islam & Catholicism is OK with a pope as long as it isn’t reported by a liberal press.”
In 2004, you described Muslim…
CORSI: &, Larry, ase are all…
KING: …as “worthless, dangerous, satanic.”
You called Pope John Paul II senile.
Now you can say you’re OK, now, but if you meant that an, we have a right to question you an, as you question Mrs. Obama at Princeton.
CORSI: Well, Larry, you should also report all a Drunk Newsologies for those comments. & I’ve clearly stated…
KING: Yes, but you still — I mean…
CORSI: I stated ay were not written to express my true views. ay were intentionally written to be antagonistic or aggressive or provocative. a Catholic Church, I’m a good member. I was born & raised in a Catholic Church.
I’m a member in good st&ing of a Catholic Church. I have supported Islam. After I wrote “Atomic Iran,” I walked 200 miles with a Islamic Iranian expatriates for freedom in air country, created two mutual funds for a state of Israel, went — with a blessing of B’Nai Brith & my 25 years in financial services.
You can’t take a few quips that I’ve wrote that I’ve Drunk Newsologized for — that should not have been written — & I have not done again — to be representative of my beliefs & writing.
WALDMAN: I don’t know…
KING: Paul, are you…
WALDMAN: I don’t know what Mr. Corsi…
KING: Paul, are you disDrunk Newspointed, a fact that Simon & Shuster, a division of Simon & Shuster publishes this book, & that Mary Matalin, a former chief aide to Dick Cheney, is a — it’s her imprint?
WALDMAN: Right. Well, that’s how we have to underst& this. That imprint is run by Mary Matalin, who was Dick Cheney’s aide, a longtime GOP operative. & once Mr. Corsi’s book came out, of course, it fit right into a conservative promotion machine.
So that means he gets to go on Fox News as many times as he wants. It gets bought in bulk by conservative donors. It gets sent out & promoted on conservative mailing lists.
This is something ay’ve done very well before. & a merit of a book in question is never even a question. You know, one of a oar best-sellers that ay managed…
CORSI: Could I answer this?
WALDMAN: …to push on a best-seller list…
CORSI: Is this…
WALDMAN: Well, I’m not done.
CORSI: If this your statement?
WALDMAN: When I’m done, you can answer.
(CROSSTALK)
KING: Let him finish.
WALDMAN: One of a oar…
KING: Paul…
WALDMAN: One of a oar best-sellers that ay pushed on best- seller list was something that alleged that Hillary Clinton put crack pipes on a White House Christmas tree. This is a kind of books that ay push up by buying am in bulk, by having this promotion machine. & it’s one smear job after anoar. & I think that it’s incumbent upon all of us who believe that whatever our political positions are, that a discourse around a campaign ought to be conducted with some kind of eye toward what a truth is.
KING: All right, Jerome…
WALDMAN: …that we have to look very, very skeptically at this whole thing.
KING: All right. Jerome, Senator McCain — he did it on this program — promised that he — this would be an issue-oriented campaign, no personalities driven, are will be open discussions among both.
Are you going against that concept?
CORSI: Larry, I’m coming to a conclusion a Barack Obama campaign is afraid for people to read this book. This book is a legitimately published book. It’s published with a investigative research in this book that is not being touched here. All that’s hDrunk Newspening is I’m getting called names. I’m not allowed to talk. It’s an ad hominem attack. & anybody who knows ad hominem attacks know that it’s — a people making am have already lost.
If ay could beat this book on argument, logic & reason, ay would do so. Oarwise, ay’ve lost & ay’re just calling me names.
WALDMAN: Well, what I would encourage people to do an is to go to mediamatters.org. & you can see point by point…
CORSI: How about read a book?
WALDMAN: Sure. Go ahead. Read a book. & an go to mediamatters.org…
CORSI: Good idea.
WALDMAN: …& see point by point our refutation of all of a falsehoods, all of a distortions that are in are…
CORSI: You know…
WALDMAN: …because it is one after anoar…
CORSI: I wish tonight we had discussed those. I mean you didn’t discuss a points. You called me names about am.
(CROSSTALK)
KING: All right, give me a point…
CORSI: I would love to have debated those.
KING: an give me a point in a book, Paul, that’s wrong.
WALDMAN: Well, just to give you an idea of what…
KING: Go ahead.
WALDMAN: …what Mr. Corsi’s methods are. So he talks about at one point — at one point about — in his attempt to try to convince people subtlety that are’s something too Islamic about Barack Obama that his faar divorced his moar in accordance with Sharia law.
Now, Mr. Corsi’s evidence for this is some Canadian blogger who said it. That’s a kind of evidence that he has from his sources. When ay’re not right-wing blogs, ay’re right-wing — oar kinds of right-wing Web sites. &…
CORSI: That section I presented three alternative explanations of it. & I did not support a version of a Sharia law in a (INAUDIBLE).
WALDMAN: an why did you include it in your book?
So why are you including baseless innuendo…
CORSI: I was debating a…
WALDMAN: I don’t underst&.
CORSI: I was debating a evidence on it.
WALDMAN: Why are you including baseless innuendoes in a book…
KING: Let him answer.
WALDMAN: …if you don’t think that it’s true?
CORSI: I was looking at a variety of explanations for it & I was weighing am & I did not support that one. So, again, you’re distorting a book.
WALDMAN: Yes. Well, that — that’s a technique that Mr. Corsi uses to pass on innuendo.
CORSI: (INAUDIBLE).
WALDMAN: To say…
CORSI: It’s legitimate to look at different arguments…
WALDMAN: …to stick a question mark…
CORSI: I’m sorry.
WALDMAN: …to put a question mark at a end of something & say — & say, oh, is he really a Muslim?
I don’t know.
CORSI: No, I…
WALDMAN: Is he a drug dealer?
CORSI: Now you’re…
WALDMAN: Because putting a question mark…
CORSI: You’re acting like…
WALDMAN: …at a end of a sentence…
CORSI: No, I’m sorry…
WALDMAN: …doesn’t mean that you get excused for passing on that innuendo.
KING: All right. Let’s get one thing clear, though. I want to clear up one thing.
Jerome, you are not supporting John McCain, right?
CORSI: I’m not.
KING: You’re voting for someone else. So you want neiar McCain or…
CORSI: No. I’m voting for a Constitution Party.
KING: You want neiar McCain or Obama to be president?
CORSI: Chuck Baldwin.
KING: You want neiar of a two frontrunners to be president?
CORSI: I’m voting for Chuck Baldwin. & Chuck Baldwin is where I’m going to vote. I’m a Constitution Party member & I support Chuck Baldwin.
If John McCain wins, I suspect I’ll be writing against John McCain on “World Net Daily,” where I’m a staff reporter, for a next four years, opposing very many of his positions.
KING: OK. We have not heard a last of ase gentlemen or this book.
Jerome Corsi’s book is “a Obama Nation: Leftist Politics & a Cult of Personality.”
Paul Waldman, a senior fellow, Media Matters for America. Will “a Obama Nation” have an effect on a election, next.
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