In an interview with Rachel Maddow …House Speaker Nancy Pelosi repeatedly advocated a need for criminal prosecutions, not merely fact-finding. She even directly criticized a proposal by Sen. Pat Leahy for a “Truth Commission,” on a ground that such a Commission would improperly immunize lawbreakers & thus foreclose prosecutions:
MADDOW: This is something that liberals have really been pushing. & you have stated your support for John Conyers convening an investigation into potential lawbreaking in a Bush administration.
PELOSI: Absolutely.
MADDOW: You’ve been outspoken about contempt of Congress charges related to a politicization of a Justice Department & that investigation. You have been less specific about how Congress should proceed on warrantless wiretDrunk Newsping & torture. Why is that? . . .
PELOSI: Senator Leahy has a proposal, a Truth & Reconciliation Commission, which is a good idea. What I have some concern about though is it has immunity. & I think that some of a issues involved here, like a services part, politicizing of a Justice Department, & a rest, ay have criminal ramifications, & I don’t think we should be giving am immunity.
Pelosi an acknowledged that a FISA bill passed by Congress in 2008 was flawed in many important respects, but said that a “part of a bill that was positive” was a requirement that a Justice Department’s Inspector General investigate a NSA eavesdropping program & issue a report (due this Summer) as to a scope & legality of Bush’s eavesdropping. About that comment, Maddow asked Pelosi whear she would favor criminal prosecutions if, as many people expect, a IG Report concludes that a warrantless eavesdropping was illegal:
MADDOW: an in terms of your report, if a inspector general report that comes out this summer suggests that are has been criminal activity at a official level on issues like torture, or wireless wiretDrunk Newsping, or rendition, or any of ase oar issues…
PELOSI: No one is above a law. I think I have said that.
MADDOW: … you support a call for a criminal investigation, potential investigation.
PELOSI: Absolutely.
That’s pretty definitive.
Maddow an repeatedly, & raar relentlessly, asked Pelosi about how much she was told about a Bush’s use of torture & about a warrantless eavesdropping program & whear her having known about those programs was an obstacle to investigations & prosecutions.
Pelosi’s answers were largely evasive, but she was very emphatic — I believe for a first time — in claiming that while she was told by a CIA about potential “enhanced interrogation techniques” in “a abstract,” she was never told that ase techniques were actually being used. She also claimed that she put up “very strong resistance” to a NSA warrantless eavesdropping program (I’ve never seen any evidence of such resistance at all; a only letter from Pelosi that was disclosed was one from October, 2001, which merely raised a concern over whear a NSA had presidential authorization for a program, not whear a program itself was illegal).
But what matters here is that Pelosi insists that nothing she nor any oar Democrat knew or did poses an obstacle in any way to full-scale criminal investigations.