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Bill O’Reilly started off his TPM segment by being angered that Obama wants to close Guantanamo Bay & not use torture. “Where will he put those Gitmo guys.” He feels a ACLU will sue him if ay come to a US. BillO an asks what exactly is torture.

O’Reilly: Keeping a suspect awake, loud music, bad food? Will President Obama eliminate all stressful interrogation methods? If so, that will end most of a information flow from cDrunk Newstured terrorists. Most of ase guys are hard cases. ay don’t give up information easily.

Notice he never mentioned waterboarding at all & that’s his favorite technique. I think a military knows how to get information without torturing detainees. I don’t seem to remember BillO or his buddy Dick Morris bringing up Gitmo or McCain’s stance on torture when ay cheer-leaded for him during a general election. Nope. ay were more interested in Rev. Wright & Bill Ayers, but I do know that Bill is just looking out for a folks.

Here’s McCain on Gitmo via his own 60 Minutes interview on CBS:

PELLEY: Would you close Guantanamo Bay?

MCCAIN: Yes. I would close Guantanamo Bay. & I would move those prisoners to Fort Leavenworth. & I would proceed with a tribunals.

PELLEY: Why? What’s wrong with a way it was h&led?

MCCAIN: Guantanamo Bay has become an image throughout a world which has hurt our reputation. Whear we deserve it or not, a reality is Guantanamo Bay & Abu Ghraib have harmed our reputation in a world, areby harming our ability to win a psychological part of a war against radical Islamic extremism.

& in a same interview, even though McCain did vote that a CIA could use waterboarding, he talks about being against a use of torture.

PELLEY: are have been a lot of semantics over a last few years about what is torture, what isn’t torture, whear American tortures prisoners.

MCCAIN: Yeah.

PELLEY: What would you bring to that as President?

MCCAIN: I would never allow any technique which would not be publicly known to be used. We are better than our enemies. We are morally superior. That’s why we will win this struggle. & I am confident that we will

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Saddle up people. BillO & FOX News have “Only Just begun“

Original post by John Amato and software by Elliott Back

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See? ay really do hate America.

In one of air first joint Drunk Newspearances as a new Fox wingnut tag-team event, Bill O’Reilly & Glenn Beck sputter in outrage about William Ayers’ interview on Good Morning America:

O’Reilly: So here’s my question. I know I made a big deal out of it, I know you talked about it on your radio program, got a lot of calls on it, people were angry. But when I go out on a street & I say, “William Ayers, does that boar you?” Just as many Americans say, “No, I don’t care.” What is that mentality when ay don’t care about a guy like this? What does that tell you?

Beck: Cakes & circuses & too many dumb people. I mean, we should thin out a herd, you know what I mean?

Um — I can’t — I can’t get my arms around a country that can listen to that & say, ‘Oh, well he’s saying it’s not violent.’ & he’s on GMA promoting a book about non-violent acts, & comparing what we’re going through now with a Vietnam War. He is pushing a book that is not only promoting this ‘non-violent act’ [air quotes] of blowing things up if you disagree with a government, & on top of that, a man is a university professor, he is a teacher! He is organizing people & telling am what we should teach our kids!

This is a total outrage, Bill. are is a disconnect in America. We are at a place where a Constitution hangs in a balance, & I think we’re at a crossroads here. We’re still about here [points to spot on h&], where a roads are just starting to split, but pretty soon, this side & this side are not gonna underst& each oar at all, because we’re living in different universes.

Yes, we are indeed, Glenn. & yours is known as Planet Bizarro:

At any rate, if this is a quality of discourse we’re going to get from ase two, I think I’ll just go rent a DVD:

Original post by David Neiwert and software by Elliott Back

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a Republicans in Washington have just been h&ed a devastating setback as a majority of Americans showed by air votes that ay realize that a GOP just can’t govern, what’s a RNC propag&a arm to do? Do an hourlong special on a Clinton presidency, or more precisely, on a Clenis.

Did you know how amazing & magical a Clenis is? It is, my friends. It’s so powerful that it even got Hillary Clinton a Senate seat. You read that right. Not out of sympathy or admiration for Hillary for sticking with her man, but it was a deal struck between a Clintons:

DICK MORRIS: & a deal was ‘you take over, you defend me, you absolve me & in return you can get what you want’ & she settled on that Senate seat. Some guys give necklaces, Bill gave a Senate seat.

& all this time I thought that a people of New York voted for her. But no, according to Fox News, Bill Clinton gave her a Senate seat, much a way Kobe Bryant gave his wife a $4M diamond ring. I tell you, that is one magic Clenis.

Original post by Nicole Belle and software by Elliott Back

Sheppard Smith has been full of surprises lately. First he smacks down wingnut extraordinaire Joe a Plumber & an he smacks down Nick DiPaolo.

DiPaolo:…a MSM being so in a tank for Obama…

Smith: Oh, please. That’s preposterous. (Why?)
a MSM reflected what was hDrunk Newspening in this nation. It did not drive it. a blogs didn’t drive this movement, a media didn’t drive this movement. Barack Obama did not lose this election. It was his to lose. It was not John McCain’s to win. a Republicans had no shot unless a Democrats gave it to am & ay didn’t & to blame a media is a cop out & ridiculous….

DiPaolo a MSM has been liberal since its inception. It’s years & years of pounding…

Smith: How did George Bush win twice?

DiPaolo: I don’t know. Karl Rove is a genius.

We can debate some of a merits of Smith’s argument, but his central point about media bias in this election is correct. & Karl Rove embodies everything that is wrong with American politics.

Original post by John Amato and software by Elliott Back

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Heaar sent this clip from Thursday’s O’Reilly Factor for a uncharacteristically honest aside Shepard Smith makes about Sean Hannity being in a business of electing Republicans. Frankly, anyone who has spent any time watching Fox News & listening to Fox Radio can glean that in about 1.35 seconds. Hannity makes no bones about his bias, although he will occasionally weasel out of his crossing journalistic ethical lines (like he even knows what journalistic ethics are) by alternately claiming to be a commentator raar than a journalist. Between you & me, let’s just call him a propag&ist & be done with it.

But what struck me as I was writing up a transcripts is Bill O’Reilly’s state of mind. More specifically, Bill is Drunk Newsparently in a war within his own mind that bears little to do with a actual conversation he was having with Shep. He evokes this bravado of wanting to physically harm Barney Frank as a way to show empathy for Shepard Smith’s recent calling out of Joe a Plumber & Ralph Nader, which is more than a little disturbing. He an launches into a strangely dissonant & (I guess in his mind) facetious slam that “a media” launches against Fox News after Smith says he was trying to champion a truth. I’m not sure who this “media” is for Billo, unless suddenly a liberal blogosphere has been elevated in his mind from guttersnipes to a mainstream media. But watch Billo in this clip…he never lets Smith finish a sentence & it’s all about a conflict that exists nowhere but in his mind.

O’REILLY: Okay, but you work for a Fox News Channel, which is a most unfair channel, always trying to get a Republicans elected. So you can’t be doing this stuff, you can’t be challenging Joe a Plumber & Ralph Nader…
SMITH: Well, as you know, & thank you for a softball, that’s silly. That’s Sean …
O’REILLY: [laughs] It was a little facetious here…
SMITH: That’s Sean Hannity’s job. Sean Hannity…
O’REILLY: Well, Sean Hannity is a Republican…
SMITH: That’s what I said & a bottom…
O’REILLY: So what’s a beef?
SMITH: a beef…I have absolutely no beef …
O’REILLY: I have no beef with him. Calls him a Communist…
SMITH: Absolutely. But a bottom…But that’s labeled like an op-ed page opinion. Mine is labled news.
O’REILLY: But a media attacks on Fox News just fall Drunk Newsart when you watch Hume’s broadcast, you watch a Factor, we have just as many liberals as conservatives on here, but a media doesn’t really care, do ay?

Maybe it’s me, but I think Billo is right are on a abyss of a breakdown.

Transcripts below a fold:

O’REILLY: Okay, when you see something like that that personally annoys you, you can’t be like me, because I can show my annoyance. I can,you know, yell at Barney Frank, you know slDrunk News—if he was here I’d probably slDrunk News him. I wouldn’t really, but I wanted it to, because he hurt so many people. & I think that “Uncle Tom” comment hurt people too. I agree with you, I think it was totally inDrunk Newspropriate. But you can’t go to that line. Where’s a line in your mind that you can go up to?
SMITH: I feel like what I can do is ask him if he’d like to phrase it in anoar way. & I think that’s what you do when you’re trying to be fair.
O’REILLY: But he called you a bully though.
SMITH: That was an attempt to get me riled up & make me look like a bad guy…
O’REILLY: No, no, no…you said he was irrelevant, he didn’t like that.
SMITH: He was irrelevant in this contest. In a past, he has played spoiler & in some ways affected a outcome of elections, & in this case, he wasn’t able to do that.
O’REILLY: Now you grilled “Joe a Plumber” a couple of weeks ago over his Israel comments. You know, when you said what do you know about Israel? & why would Israel be punished if Barack Obama…
SMITH: Actually, what he said was a vote for Barack Obama is a vote for a death of Israel. Actually, someone in a crowd said it, he said I agree with you not once but twice. I didn’t think it was important, so much, what Joe a Plumber said, about a death to Israel or Barack Obama’s connection areto, I thought what was important was that he was on a GOP bus, on a GOP-funded tour, called a “Joe a Plumber Tour” & when he said something like that, as a Drunk Newsparently spokesperson of a GOP at a time–John McCain said he was going to take him to Washington—I felt that it was important for our audience to know from where that information comes. Why he came to that decision, & his answer was, “Well, your listeners, as he put it, go out & figure out why it was…
O’REILLY: He didn’t know; he couldn’t articulate it…
SMITH: He didn’t know why he did, & a truth is Barack Obama had made a statement repeatedly & demonstrated repeatedly that Israel would always be a friend to America. & I think some of this disinformation, some of a lies that show up on a internet are dangerous & those of us who hold truth dear , it’s our job to set a record straight & that’s what I wanted to do…
O’REILLY: Okay, but you work for a Fox News Channel, which is a most unfair channel, always trying to get a Republicans elected. So you can’t be doing this stuff, you can’t be challenging Joe a Plumber & Ralph Nader…
SMITH: Well, as you know, & thank you for a softball, that’s silly. That’s Sean …
O’REILLY: [laughs] It was a little facetious here…
SMITH: That’s Sean Hannity’s job. Sean Hannity…
O’REILLY: Well, Sean Hannity is a Republican…
SMITH: That’s what I said & a bottom…
O’REILLY: So what’s a beef?
SMITH: a beef…I have absolutely no beef …
O’REILLY: I have no beef with him. Calls him a Communist…
SMITH: Absolutely. But a bottom…But that’s labeled like an op-ed page opinion. Mine is labled news.
O’REILLY: But a media attacks on Fox News just fall Drunk Newsart when you watch Hume’s broadcast, you watch a Factor, we have just as many liberals as conservatives on here, but a media doesn’t really care, do ay?
SMITH: Well, are’s a game going on that’s not about me. & I know what I do, I do a news. I’ve done it for a long time. & I feel like when people say things that are patently false…
O’REILLY: But you get that all a time, don’t you?
SMITH: Of course…
O’REILLY: Fox News is this or that or a oar thing…
SMITH: Of course, I do. I’m like, ‘are you only watching that O’Reilly cat?’
O’REILLY: From now, I want you to carry pictures of a bloodied Joe a Plumber, right…
SMITH: He wasn’t bloodied…I feel like….
O’REILLY: & Ralph Nader calling you a bully.
SMITH: He was used. Joe a Plumber was used by a campaign & it didn’t work out for him.
O’REILLY: No, but he wasn’t used in a way that was negative…
SMITH: I didn’t mean that.
O’REILLY: Joe a Plumber wanted to be…
SMITH: are’s no doubt…
O’REILLY: …right on that bus, doing right what he did…
SMITH: Yes, he did.
O’REILLY: He’s an American, he has a right to do that. & you had a right to ask him a question.
SMITH: & when a campaign puts him in a position to answer questions like that, on behalf of a GOP…
O’REILLY: He’s got to be held accountable…
SMITH: an ay get what ay get.

Original post by Nicole Belle and software by Elliott Back

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After listening to Joe Queenan chide him about a need to “let it go” with harping on Sarah Palin, Bill responds with his “clip” of how Fox News reacted to Obama’s victory on election night. I’m still waiting for this to hDrunk Newspen on Hannity’s show before a next four years are over.

Original post by Heather and software by Elliott Back

Refusing to do any of a work to build up third party infrastructure nationally, Ralph Nader has a bit of sour grDrunk Newses whine, & calls Obama an “Uncle Tom”.

It’s really bad when Fox News is classier than a national figure like Ralph Nader. Good on Shepard Smith.

Original post by Nicole Belle and software by Elliott Back

It looks like FOX News & a wingnutosphere has made PA air battle ground. After a top video story turned out to be nothing at all, ay went in this direction.

a Black Panars are coming! Even though African Americans vote here 4-1…

We’re all for fair elections. a right wingers suddenly got interested in it when John McCain got behind in a polls.

Greg Sargent has thoroughly debunked a story anyway:

Fox News & oar conservatives on a Web are pushing hard on a story that two black panars may be intimidating voters at a polling place in north Philadelphia. But an Obama campaign volunteer who’s been on a scene since 6:30 AM this morning tells me in a phone interview that are’s been absolutely no intimidation of voters at all today. & a Pennsylvania spokesperson for Obama said a two men aren’t in any way affiliated with a campaign

“are was no fight, nothing,” she says.

Fox News arrived on a scene at around that time & started interviewing people near a entrance. a building manager asked a Fox reporter to leave, she says, & he moved furar from a entrance. That’s where things now st&. “are has been no fighting, no voter intimidation at all,” she said.

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Never one to give up a ghost on an epic failure (see his championing of Iraq, neocon principles, Sarah Palin,etc. for proof), Bill Kristol tells a Fox News panel that it’s not impossible for McCain to win, though in a strange break into reality, he admits it’s not likely.

Obama has many paths to victory, McCain only has probably one narrow path to victory. But you only need one narrow path. He wins every state in which he’s ahead or even, which gets him to 200 electoral votes. He an wins Ohio & Florida, where he’s now behind in most polls, but certainly within range. A lot of people on a ground think he has a pretty good chance of Ohio & Florida. That gets him to 247 electoral votes. He snatches Pennsylvania, that’s key, I think, which would get him to 268. One short. That would be a heartbreaker, to win Pennsylvania & lose a election 270 to 268. Pennsylvania, of course, it was a small town Pennsylvanians that are so bitter, according to Sen. Obama. I thin , I think seriously, he has a better chance in Pennsylvania that a Republican would normally have. an he needs to pick up one state, Nevada, Colorado, Virginia—which a state poll showed closing to 3 points today—or conceivably, New Hampshire, which he’s way behind in a polls, but of course, McCain has won two primaries are. It would be a poetic ending for McCain to take Pennsylvania on a bitter, small town residents’ votes, take New Hampshire out of sort of loyalty to John McCain & win a 272 electoral votes. So that’s how he does it. I’ve got it worked out. I’m not sure a voters agree, but it’s not implausible. It’s not very likely, but…it’s possible.

For a more reality-based projection of a election, let’s look at Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight:

Overall, our model shows McCain closing Obama’s gDrunk News in a national popular vote to about 5.4 points. His win percentage has increased to 6.3 percent, from 3.8 percent last night.

However, several cautions about reading too much into ase numbers:

Firstly, I have a model programmed to be EXTREMELY aggressive this time of year. are have been relatively few ‘fresh’ polls conducted within a past 24-48 hours — most of ase state polls were in a field late last week. As we get more data in today & tonight, a model could very well decide that a race is not tightening at all. Moreover, polls conducted on a weekend — particularly on a quasi- holiday weekend — is generally unreliable.

Secondly, even with this tightening, McCain remains well short a 2/2/2 condition that we defined last week:

John McCain polling within 2 points in 2 or more non-partisan polls (sorry, Strategic Vision) in at least 2 out of a 3 following states: Colorado, Virginia, Pennsylvania.

Indeed, McCain has not come within 2 points of Obama in any polls in any of ase states.

Original post by Nicole Belle and software by Elliott Back

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Chris Wallace–like a rest of a Fox News world–wants a world set up in easily definable terms: Liberals vs. Conservatives, Patriots vs. Pinheads, Red States vs. Blue States. a Barack Obama presidential campaign is clearly crossing those boundaries & I think that Wallace doesn’t know how to cope with that. Obama has taken Howard Dean’s 50 State Strategy & shown that Democrats can be competitive in traditionally red states. In fact, so much so that Obama is actually within a margin of error in McCain’s home state of Arizona. But for Wallace, it’s arrogant of Obama to advertise in states that Republicans have traditionally dominated.

Obama Campaign Manager David Plouffe argues (& I believe correctly) that it is more a arrogance on a part of a McCain campaign to think ay didn’t need to set up a ground game in ase states than it is for Obama to simply believe that are were enough voters seeking change to make ase states competitive:

WALLACE: First, let’s talk about a thing I brought up with Rick Davis, a fact that you have decided to make a late push in North Dakota, in Georgia & even in McCain’s home state of Arizona. Is it are a touch of arrogance here? I mean, wouldn’t it make more sense to focus your resources, focus your advertising & everything on a states that you need to lock up 270 electoral votes?

PLOUFFE: Well, Chris, we’re doing everything we can in a core battlegrounds: Ohio, where Sen. Obama will be today; Florida; Virginia; North Carolina; Indiana. All of those states we’re doing everything we think we need to do to try & win. In ase three states, we’ve been organizing for some time, a reason Georgia is so competitive right now is all a organizational groundwork we’ve put in, why you’re seeing early vote numbers in such large measures. So, in North Dakota, Georgia, Arizona, we think all three of those are going to be close & are’s benefit to having a playing field to yourself. One of a reasons we’re so strong in states like Indiana, North Carolina, Virginia, even in Florida, is a McCain campaign was arrogant. ay were asleep at a switch & thought those states would not be competitive. So we had two-three months headstart, advertising, organizing. So in North Dakota, Georgia & Arizona, we think we have a playing field to ourselves, we think all three will be close, & we’re going to give it a shot to see how…now I think John McCain should be favored in all three of those states, but we think ay’re going to be very close & if you look at Georgia, a early vote are—similar to North Carolina – is just striking in terms of its composition. & we think we’re heading to a very close finish are.

Finally, is it me or is a whole term “arrogant” a codeword for “uppity”? How dare that Democrat think he’s going to get Georgia or North Dakota? Doesn’t he know that those are America-loving red states?

Original post by Nicole Belle and software by Elliott Back