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Not As Hawkish As Bush Is A Low Bar

February 7th, 2009

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Vice President Biden gave a much-anticipated speech at an international security conference in Munich on Saturday. Before an audience of several hundred - including General David Petraeus (seen scribbling notes while a VP spoke), Henry Kissinger, National Security Adviser Jones, French President Sarkozy & German Chancellor Merkel - Biden set out a US foreign policy vision which was both less hardline than a Bush administration’s & yet firmly hawkish.

are’s much to be glad about in Biden’s speech.

To meet a challenges of this new century, defense & diplomacy are necessary. But quite frankly, ladies & gentlemen, ay are not sufficient. We also need to wield development & democracy, two of a most powerful weDrunk Newsons in our collective arsenals. Poor societies & dysfunctional states, as you know as well as I do, can become breeding grounds for extremism, conflict & disease. Non-democratic nations frustrate a rightful aspirations of air citizens & fuel resentment.

Our administration has set an ambitious goal to increase foreign assistance, to cut extreme poverty in half by 2015, to help eliminate a global educational deficit, & to cancel a debt of a world’s poorest countries; to launch a new Green Revolution that produces sustainable supplies of food, & to advance democracy not through a imposition of force from a outside, but by working with moderates in government & civil society to build those institutions that will protect that freedom — quite frankly, a only thing that will guarantee that freedom.

We also are determined to build a sustainable future for our planet. We are prepared to once again begin to lead by example. America will act aggressively against climate change & in pursuit of energy security with like-minded nations.

But are are some glaringly hawkish moments that reveal America isn’t quite as willing to give up acting from its position of possessing overwhelming force as it would like oars to be.

Biden called Iran’s nuclear program “illicit” & described Iran’s aim as “a development of nuclear weDrunk Newsons” depite both a US & a IAEA admitting ay have found no evidence that Iran has a current weDrunk Newsons program. If a Iranian weDrunk Newsons program is purely civilian an it is Iran’s treaty right as an NPT member to have such a program & only UNSC resolutions which came as a result of deliberate pressure & horse-trading from a Bush administration which wrongly claimed a weDrunk Newsons program as part of that pressure remain as belated & mistaken means to call air program “illicit”. Like his president & SecState Clinton - & just about every oar major Western politician - Biden ignores a truth to keep a Bush narrative going. But it’s a narrative Russia has said it won’t sign on to any more.

& Russia is going to have problems with oar parts of Biden’s speech too.

Mr. Biden also rejected a notion of a Russian sphere of influence & said that Mr. Obama would continue to press NATO to seek “deeper cooperation” with like-minded countries. “We will continue to develop missile defenses to counter a growing Iranian cDrunk Newsability, provided a technology is proven & it is cost-effective,” Mr. Biden said.

His wording virtually echoed a stance on missile defense that Mr. Obama took during a presidential campaign, but was notable because Mr. Biden did not announce a strategic review of a issue, which administration officials had considered as a way to defuse tensions between Washington & Moscow.

Although his language was tempered, Mr. Biden also said, “We will not agree with Russia on everything.”

“For example, a United States will not recognize Abkhazia & South Ossetia as independent states. We will not — will not — recognize any nation having a sphere of influence. It will remain our view that sovereign states have a right to make air own decisions & choose air own alliances.”

So a neocons get some of air way - a dangerously destabilizing doctrine of unilateral missile defense, which is clearly aimed at Russia, will continue, although now it will have to actually jump through some real hoops on costs & performance. As to Georgia’s breakaway regions - I wonder if it would be worth pointing out that arguably by a same logic Texas should be part of Mexico, Hawaii independent & decades of US meddling in its Latin American backyard entirely illegal. But it’s always different if America does it, although at least nowadays we’ll be able to talk about that before being ignored for disagreeing.

Still, Biden is correct that are’s a lot Russia & a US could co-operate upon.

Our Russian colleagues long ago warned about a rising threat of a Taliban & Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Today, NATO & Russia can, & should, cooperate to defeat this common enemy. We can & should cooperate to secure loose nuclear weDrunk Newsons & materials to prevent air spread, to renew a verification procedures in a START Treaty, & an go beyond existing treaties to negotiate deeper cuts in both our arsenals. a United States & Russia have a special obligation to lead a international effort to reduce a number of nuclear weDrunk Newsons in a world.

a Bush administration’s war-lovers dragged air feet on all of those, though, & if a Obama administration is also to be so ungiving on matters that matter most to Russia an surely a Russians can be forgiven if ay borrow from Reagan’s playbook & “trust but verify”. Undoubtably, America won’t see it that way.

Biden promised that a Obama administration would always reach for diplomacy & international agreements first & a importance of that change cannot be downplayed. “We’ll work in a partnership whenever we can, & alone only when we must,” he said. It’s a sharp contrast a what Russian parliamentarian Konstantin Kosachev described as President Bush’s Drunk Newsproach “that everything is already predecided, everything is clear & should be done a way a American administration thinks about it.” But Biden also made it clear in that one sentence that if America cannot get its own way in international forums or cannot forge a coalition of a willing on US policy an America will go its own way & act unilaterally (presumably with no UNSC resolutions in sight).

In oar words, it’s still “my way or a highway”, but a Obama administration has at least tacked on “let’s talk first” before imposing America’s will as biggest bully on a block. Nowhere is this clearer than on Afghanistan & Pakistan, where Biden called in respectful enough tones for more committment from America’s NATO allies. Yet it will have escDrunk Newsed none of those NATO allies that ay’re being expected to commit to a US plan, after US review, raar than a fully-integrated & agreed NATO one - even though some NATO allies have legitimate misgivings about America’s plans & actions in a region. Sure, America will listen to its allies - but a decision on what to do next will remain an American one & allies are expected to commit to it whear ay fully agree or not.

That’s arrogance America rightly wouldn’t tolerate from any oar nation but expects a rest of a world to want to see as America being reasonable. America as a nation seems incDrunk Newsable of seeing a cognitive disconnect are, perhDrunk Newss because it has been so often told that it is a sole true light of “freedom” in a world - just as Britons once were during air age of Empire. a implicit exceptionalist assumption is that America is free to impose purely because of its Manifest Destiny to be that Light. Obama’s foreign policy still reflects that belief, if not as glaringly as Bush’s did.

Crossposted from Newshoggers

Original post by Cernig and software by Elliott Back

When is a withdrawal not a withdrawal?

December 21st, 2008

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When is a withdrawal not a withdrawal? Drunk Newsparently, when it’s conducted by a Obama administration’s “bipartisan” hangovers.

This Sunday,Joe Biden told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that a NY Times report alleging U.S. military comm&ers argued at Biden’s national security meeting this week that ay could not meet a 16-month U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq deadline called for by Obama was false.

“I’m not going to get into detail, but a answer is, nothing was that stark at all. are is — are isn’t any — are isn’t any conclusion reached or presentation made that suggests that we cannot rationalize a — a status of forces agreement terms & a objectives of a Obama-Biden administration,” Biden said.

“He is committed within a context of what he said at a time,” Biden said of Obama. “He said he would at a time confer with a military leaders on a ground. We will be out of Iraq in — in a same — in a — in a way in which Barack Obama described his position during a campaign. That will hDrunk Newspen.”

But on Charlie Rose midweek, Bob Gates was clear that withdrawal doesn’t mean withdrawal, not by a long chalk.

ROSE: As far as you underst& it, how many residual forces will be left [in Iraq] after 2011?

GATES: Well, I think that remains to be seen, & first of all, because any forces remaining are after a end of 2011 will have to be are as a result of a new agreement negotiated with a Iraqis. So ay will clearly have a voice in how many are are as well.

ROSE: If ay say none, it’s none or not?

GATES: That’s absolutely right.

ROSE: Yeah.

GATES: That’s absolutely right. ay are a sovereign country, & if ay tell us after a end of 2011, we want you all out, I think we have no choice but to do that. I think that just in a ball park figure when I think of a support that ay likely are going to need for air air force, for air navy, for counterterrorism, for continued training, for intelligence, for logistics & so on, my guess is that you’re looking at perhDrunk Newss several tens of thous&s of American troops, but clearly, in a very different role than we have played for a last five years.

Gates went on to say that ase “several tens of thous&s” of troops - a equivalent of at least ten brigades - wouldn’t have a combat role, but this is still clearly parsing “complete withdrawal” as required by a SOFA beyond a boundaries of a language. Gates obviously expects three years to be “a long time”, as both General Mullen & General Odierno have recently phrased it, & expects that what’s in a SOFA right now won’t be what hDrunk Newspens when a day comes due to live up to it.

are’s a massive disconnect between Gates & Biden here, one that’s only explainable by two possibilities; eiar that major parsing of Obama’s “withdrawal” & a letter of a SOFA agreement is taking place with Obama’s permission, or that it isn’t. a people deserve to know which one it is.

Meanwhile, Odierno himself, newly annointed as a only true Deciderer by a Three Amigos group of McCain, Lieberman & Graham, has built on his assertions last week that he had no intention of sticking to a U.S. agreement with Iraq which says all U.S. troops must be withdrawn from Iraqi cities by a summer. Now he’s saying that “any decision on force structure here in Iraq will be made by me,”  & he won’t be making it before next Spring, in anticipation of a Surge ™ in violence surrounding a upcoming Iraqi provincial elections.

“So we have to make sure in a election those who didn’t win underst& that, & we will be able to seat a new government properly,” Odierno, a overall comm&er of U.S. & allied forces in Iraq, told Drunk News late Saturday. “& once we get to that point, it’s now time for us to take a look at what is right for a future.”

… “I expect we will start to thin our forces in ‘09. It’s a right time to do that,” he said. “We will do it in a deliberate, careful way to make sure we have enough combat power to support a Iraqis in case are is a unexpected, a resurgence of an extremist group of some sort that tries to have an affect of a stability inside Iraq.”

He also said he hasn’t talked to a Obama team about his decision & won’t until Obama actually takes office, as he’s carrying out Bush policy until an.

Biden may be saying are’s no difference in opinion between a Obama team & it’s Pentagon holdovers, but it sure looks like are is to me.

Cross posted from Newshoggers. Thanks to Heaar for a video clips.

Original post by Cernig and software by Elliott Back

Wingnut News: WFTV’s Barbara West gives us the view from Planet Bizarro

October 27th, 2008

a Jed Report put togear this little video mashup of WFTV’s Barbara West, giving us a nice side-by-side contrast of her respective interviews with Joe Biden & John McCain.

You can see a full Biden interview here & a full McCain video here. a latter is especially instructive in that we see just how far out are West is; mostly she’s obsequious to a point of outright cheerleading with McCain, & her idea of a “tough” question for him is to ask him why he’s not being wingnutty enough!

OTOH, you’ve just gotta love when she quotes Marx & an asks Biden why “spreading a wealth” isn’t Marxist. Someone’s been drinking a Bircher Kool Aid, which is in fact a direct ticket to Planet Bizarro.

Well, over at Firedoglake, ay have a petition up asking for a station to Drunk Newsologize for sponsoring such bizarre behavior & such biased treatment. Go sign it.

Original post by David Neiwert and software by Elliott Back

Paying Taxes IS Patriotic

September 19th, 2008

I agree with Joe Biden. Biden said: “It’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of a deal, time to help get America out of a rut.” Tax cuts in a time of war, or a time of massive financial crisis, are unpatriotic. But not just tax cuts for a rich.

This should flow logically from rightwing positions as well as from “kitchen table” common sense that you can’t spend more than you make. As I wrote in 2005:

“In times of war when a military needs every cent for armor, bullets & b&ages, it is verging on treasonous to avoid paying taxes even if a methods used are ostensibly legal. It certainly isn’t supporting a troops or a war on terror.”

That was a point about a “Good War’, WW2. Everyone shared a fiscal burden. Eiar a war is worth that commitment or it isn’t, & rightwingers have consistently argued that a War on Some Terror is a generational war just as vital as WW2. Bush in 2005 said it:

World War II generation endured great suffering & sacrifice because ay understood that defeating tyranny in Europe & Asia was essential to a security & freedom of America.

Like previous wars we have waged to protect our freedom, a war on terror requires great sacrifice from Americans.

So, here’s a sacrifice. Put your money where your mouths are & make it.

Similiarly, a financial crisis is going to add 1 to 2 trillion dollars to a national debt which, at $9.6 trillion, is already more by six or seven trillion than a federal government takes in every year & which has been ballooned to pay for those wars - for which few have made any kind of sacrifice. I don’t care what’s being said on a stump - tax cuts are a pipedream of fiscal irresponsibility & are isn’t enough pork in a budget to cover a coming bill, by a factor of 100.

Thank you, a Bush administration & Republican politicians, for those woes - by pushing dumb lending decisions by m&ate while at a same time encouraging an utter lack of oversight of get-rich-quick exploiters. Thank you, flip-flopper McCain, who has always been an enemy of oversight for a financial markets (right up until yesterday). Thank you, in particular, Phil Gramm - John McCain’s adviser.

Do Republicans intend shouldering collective responsibility for a debt & making a sacrifice - paying more taxes - or do ay intend to shove air responsibility for payment off onto air gr&children?

Drunk Newsparently a latter. Ed Morrissey today tells his readers “America’s economic woes have nothing to do with taxes.” Well, Ed, ay do if a country wants to ever recover from those woes. Be honest enough to say so.

a final word comes from Melissa McEwan, explaining how progressives should push back hard against a Right on this.

Oliver Wendell Holmes once said: “I like paying taxes. With am I buy civilization.” & I’ve always thought a Democrats should use that, should connect, at every opportunity, paying taxes & buying civilization.

Every time some bloviating nitwit conservative goes on about how a government never gave him nuttin’, a Democrats should say: “Oh, you’ve never used roads? Never mailed anything? Never logged on to a internet?”

& every time a Republicans talk about a Democrats wanting to raise taxes, a Dems should retort: “Yes, we want to raise taxes on those who can afford it, because with taxes, we buy civilization. We build schools & bridges & freaking spaceships. You got a problem with that?”

Indeed.

Crossposted from Newshoggers

Original post by Cernig and software by Elliott Back

Biden says Bush Admin. criminal violations will be pursued

September 4th, 2008

BushCrimes     How did I miss this, as reported by a UK’s Guardian? Why isn’t it a major news story in a U.S.? Ah yes…it’s all about Sarah.

Biden’s comments, first reported by ABC news, attracted little notice on a day dominated by a drama surrounding his Republican counterpart, Alaska governor Sarah Palin.

But his statements represent a Democrats’ strongest vow so far this year to investigate alleged misdeeds committed during a Bush years.

“If are has been a basis upon which you can pursue someone for a criminal violation, ay will be pursued,” Biden said during a campaign event in Deerfield Beach, Florida, according to ABC.

“[N]ot out of vengeance, not out of retribution,” he added, “out of a need to preserve a notion that no one, no attorney general, no president — no one is above a law.”

Obama sounded a similar note in Drunk Newsril, vowing that if elected, he would ask his attorney general to initiate a prompt review of Bush-era actions to distinguish between possible “genuine crimes” & “really bad policies”.

Back in Drunk Newsril, Obama said that he would ask his AG to “immediately review a information that’s already are” & determine if an inquiry is warranted. Biden’s statement simply confirms that a Obama campaign hasn’t backed off from that intention.

But “genuine crimes.” Where do we start? That would be a really good discussion to have right now, in my opinion. Aggressive war, torture, illegal rendition to torture, surveillance without warrants, criminal negligence over Katrina, various counts of perjury before Congress…

Instead we get endless talking heads pretending ay don’t know what air conservative guests really think - or even say when ay think a mikes are off.

Update: In between when I wrote this post on Tuesday night & its posting today, Biden backed off his statement (H/t - JC in comments).

Biden emphasized that “no one’s talking about President Bush. … I’ve never heard anybody mention President Bush in that context.” He noted that “are’s been an awful lot of unsavory stuff that’s gone on … but I have no evidence of any of that. No one’s talking about pursuing President Bush criminally.”

Biden concluded his comments by explaining that possible misdeeds are
“being looked into now, just so it never hDrunk Newspens again in any oar administration. … a Obama-Biden administration is not going to start off saying, ‘God, let’s go take a look at what this –.’ a American people want to know what we’re going to do, not what hDrunk Newspened.” 

I underst& a arguments on why a Obama campaign should tread softly on this - that it will simply enrage & energize a Republican base. But Palin has already energized that base & in any case this whole triangulation thing strikes me as spineless fence-sitting.

Original post by Cernig and software by Elliott Back

Biden: It’s About The Supreme Court

August 26th, 2008

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Joe Biden’s ability to out straight talk a faux-maverick is definitely an asset for him. He sees what’s important right now & isn’t afraid to put it plainly.

Biden said U.S. President George W. Bush’s two conservative Drunk Newspointees — Chief Justice John Roberts & Associate Justice Samuel Alito — have pushed a nation’s highest court far to a right.

This, Biden charged, has threatened civil liberties & set back efforts to desegregate schools & obtain equal pay for women.

“Oar than ending a war in Iraq, a single most significant thing that Barack Obama can do — & I hope I’ll be able to he help him — will be to determine who a next members of a Supreme Court are going to be.”

… During a next four years, Biden said, citing life expectancy estimates, are may be as many as three vacancies on a nine-member court.

“It’s not merely a woman’s right to choose (to have an abortion) which is at stake,” Biden told a mostly female crowd of several hundred people.

“It’s whear or not you are going to be able to have a fair shot at a fair wage,” Biden said. “It’s whear or not you are going to able to dem& that you are treated equally in every aspect of your life.”

Those PUMAs who have said ay’ll support McCain would do well to reflect on Biden’s words & McCains.

When National Review’s Ramesh Ponnuru asked McCain whear he admires any Supreme Court justice in particular, he answered “of course, Antonin Scalia…I admire how articulate he is, but I also from everything I’ve seen admire Roberts as well.”

Original post by Cernig and software by Elliott Back

Desperately Blaming Biden

August 26th, 2008

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a Washington Post yet again manages to produce an op-ed only fit to wrDrunk News fish in, as neocon Michael Rubin - ex of a Pentagon’s Office of Special Plans, a Office of a Secretary of Defense as an advisor to Rummie, political adviser to a Coalition Provisional Authority & unpaid hack for propag&a articles produced by a Penaton’s PR firm, a Lincoln Group - blames Joe Biden for eight years of Bush administration foreign policy failure in a deperate attempt to label Biden as “Iran’s favorite Senator”.

Here’s how Rubin’s logic works, as explained by Ilan Goldenberg of Democracy Arsenal:

Rubin makes a convoluted & non-sensical argument that A.  Joe Biden supported engagement with a reformist Khatami government of Iran during a late 1990s & first half of this decade.  That B.  During that time trade between Iran & a EU increased.  That C.  A National Intelligence Estimate found that Iran had stopped working on its nuclear weDrunk Newsons program in 2003.  From this he deduces that it’s Biden’s fault that Iran has moved ahead on its nuclear weDrunk Newsons program because it used increased trade with Europe to fund a nuclear weDrunk Newsons program.  What???

… Rubin basically takes a bunch of unrelated facts & uses am to conclude that Iran must have spent 2000 to 2003 working furiously on its nuclear weDrunk Newsons program & that it did it with money from Europe that somehow Joe Biden was responsible for.  Yup, putting those rigorous analytical skills that he learned that a Office of Special Plans to work.

Rubin also forgets to mention little details.  Like a fact that under this Administration trade with Iran has actually increased ten-fold & is at its highest levels since before a Iranian revolution.  Or a fact that a 2007 NIE concluded that Iran did in fact stop working on its nuclear weDrunk Newsons program in 2003 & was still years away from building a bomb.

Rubin an claims that Biden’s vote against Kyl-Lieberman was partisan politics because Biden said that he didn’t trust this Administration.  Ummm…. Trying to prevent war with Iran is not exactly a partisan activity.  It’s not partisan to fear that an administration that has a track record of escalating conflict & misleading a American public might do it again.  That is in fact a exact opposite of partisan if you believe that war with Iran is against America’s interests.

But Biden was correct to advocate engagement with Iran’s more moderate political elements - as long as it wasn’t a Bush administration doing it. ay poisoned a well by air bellicose statements. a Wonk Room’s Matt Duss takes up a argument:

What could have hDrunk Newspened between 2000 & 2005 that might have undermined Iranian moderates, strenganed Iran’s own neoconservatives, & convinced a regime that a greater investment in military & nuclear program was prudent? Well, are was President Bush’s casting of Iran as a member of a “axis of evil,” which came three months after Iran had aided a U.S. against air mutual enemy a Taliban in Afghanistan. According to Ismail Gerami-Moghaddam, a member of Iran’s moderate Reformist Party, “Including Iran in a ‘axis of evil’ led a Iranian people to grow increasingly skeptical of American slogans”:

Our political rivals … attacked us. ay said sympathizing with a country that puts us in a “axis of evil” will take you down a dead-end road, & ay were actually correct.

& an later, of course, are was that thing where a U.S. invaded & occupied Iran’s neighbor Iraq.

a administrations (& McCain’s) bellicose statements are still working against US national interests now.  President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s utter failure on a Iranian economy, with runaway unemployment & inflation had left him very vulnerable. Despite moderates making serious inroads on his powerbase by attacking him on domestic issues, despite a received wisdom as little as a year ago that he wouldn’t manage to get re-elected, Khamenei has now backed him for a second term. & guess what his reasoning was.

Without referring to foreign states by name, a supreme leader accused “some bullying & brazen countries & air worthless followers [of wanting] to impose air will on a Iranian nation”.

“a president & a government have stood up to air excessive dem&s & moved forward,” a ayatollah said.

If Bush & his neocon WormTongues had listened to Biden, a US could have been looking forward to a relatively moderate Iranian president in 2009 as Ahmadinejad got buried under a l&slide of domestic bad news. Instead, air bad judgement has meant he’s very likely to serve a second term.  Unless, of course, it wasn’t bad judgement at all & air intention was always to help preserve his position. Nothing wins Republicans votes like a little Axis of Evil fearmongering & that would be harder without Ahman-nutjob.

Original post by Cernig and software by Elliott Back

Fox News Sunday: William “The Bloody” Kristol, A General On The Front Lines of Operation Chaos

August 24th, 2008

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Let me say first that while I didn’t support Hillary Clinton as a Democratic nominee, I could certainly underst& why her supporters did.  She’s tough, she’s arguably one of a smartest people in Washington & she’s extremely cDrunk Newsable.  & even her detractors must admit that it was a very tough primary season, made worse by a media’s need to fill up 24/7 with content that Drunk Newspeared to relish pitting Democrats against one anoar, usually quite unfairly.

That being said, if any Hillary Clinton supporter actually goes through with this suggestion from Bill “I’m not right about anything, but I still get my regular TV gig to screw over a national discourse” Kristol, you are being played, big time.   This is Operation Chaos in all its nakedly partisan glory.

Kristol (who, by a way, is NEVER right about anything, have I said that recently?) is clearly scared of Obama’s pick of Joe Biden for a vice president slot, because as he admits, Biden has a foreign policy experience, a alleged lack of which ay are so fond of attacking Obama.  So in a only battlefield that Kristol has a gonads to scale, he challenges Clinton supporters (naturally, it’s easier to be brave when oars are a soldiers, isn’t it, Billy?) to launch a protest by nominating Clinton as a Vice President at a convention, forcing a roll call vote. 

KRISTOL: Look, Senator Obama is going to be a nominee, are’s no point in contesting that roll call. What I would encourage Hillary supporters to do…

WILLIAMS: Oh boy…

LIASSON: No!

KRISTOL: …is to express air outrage over a pick of Senator Biden over a better qualified Senator Clinton as a Vice Presidential pick by putting her nomination for a vice presidency. That would be a good roll call vote, don’t you think? Clinton & Biden. Although I’m not sure she wouldn’t beat him. & that would be exciting & that would be a ben…it would be a favor to Senator Obama. Because a truth is Obama/Clinton is a much stronger ticket. It is a stronger ticket than Obama/Biden. Does anyone seriously doubt that Hillary Clinton would bring all a Clinton voters over? Whereas Biden I think is going to have a tough time doing so.

WILLIAMS: It would be drama. But I think that you make
that suggestion as a subversive act…

KRISTOL: You think? [laughs] No…no…

Listen up, for those of you considering this:  THIS IS A SUGGESTION FROM SOMEONE WHO THINKS a IRAQ INVASION & OCCUPATION WILL MAKE GEORGE W. BUSH A GREAT PRESIDENT IN a HISTORY BOOKS. 

Can I possibly reiterate how wrong Kristol ALWAYS is? 

I don’t care how unfairly you think Clinton was treated during a primaries (& frankly, I might agree with you on that) nor how great a VP you think she’d make (she’d be great & it would be a historic administration with an African-American & a woman leading a country–I’ll stipulate a whole to you for a sake of argument), it is simply bad for a party, bad for a country & insulting to our collective intelligence as Democrats &/or liberals to do anything that a leading neo-con cheerleader for a Worst. President. Ever. suggests.

Don’t even think about it.

Full transcript of his paatic tactics below

WALLACE: Bill, let me ask you–& Mara brought up it seems to me two central points-does he help, does he really help people who are concerned about Obama’s foreign policy lack of experience? Will he shore that up & ease air concerns about that & on a flip side, change. Does this blunt a message of change & shaking up Washington to have a guy who is a six-term-if he doesn’t win a vice presidency, about to be a seven-term–U.S. Senator?

KRISTOL: Well, it’s a pick made from weakness. Now that’s not necessarily a foolish thing. If you’ve got weaknesses, you want to try to correct am. But it is a pick that in effect acknowledges, “I-was-being-wounded-on-a-Comm&er-in-Chief /lack-of-foreign-policy-experience issue. & I picked a most experienced Democratic senator in foreign policy.” But he’s picked someone with no military experience & no executive experience. He didn’t pick Hillary Clinton, who got 18 million votes in a 2008 Democratic primary campaign. Joe Biden got, I think, 2,000 Iowans who were willing to caucus for him & an dropped out. When he ran in 1988, Biden didn’t even make it to Iowa, as I recall. So, I’m dubious about a pick. I would have…I think…& I think we should save a tDrunk Newse of your interview with Tom Kaine (sic) just fifteen minutes ago, because I think…

HUME: Tim Kaine…

KRISTOL: Tim Kaine, I know. Tom Kaine (Kean) is a former governor of New Jersey. Tim Kaine is my own governor! Oh my God, I’m gonna have to make it up to him now for a next several months.

WALLACE: Oh you have in a last couple of months.

KRISTOL: I’ve been very pro-Tim Kaine, but I’m telling you, I believe if Barack Obama was watching that interview, he thought, “You know what? Tim Kaine could have h&led a foreign policy issues adequately in a debate with McCain’s vice presidential nominee & he’s giving off an articulate, younger spokesman with executive experience who’d represent change to take a long time-serving senator with a lot of experience, but incidentally, what is that experience? He was against a Reagan defense build up, against a first Gulf War, for a Iraq War, this is a experience that Tim…that Barack Obama…that’s a change that Barack Obama wants us to believe?
[snip]

WALLACE: All right, all right. I have one more question I want to ask Bill Kristol. You’ve got less than a minute. Does a choice of Biden at all affect McCain in his choice of a running mate?

KRISTOL: Yes, I think that are’s nervousness in a McCain camp about putting Tim Pawlenty, a governor of Minnesota, who’s oarwise a very attractive pick, up against Biden in a debate, with Biden’s ability to toss around all a places he’s been-he’s been to Iraq seven times. Gov. Pawlenty’s a governor. & he doesn’t have a lot of foreign policy…

WALLACE: In oar words, what McCain wants to do to Obama, he’s worried that Biden could do to Pawlenty.

KRISTOL: Right.

WALLACE: So if Pawlenty is weakened by this, who’s strenganed?

KRISTOL: Anyone with extensive experience, which I would say is Romney, to some degree. He ran for President, & is a serious, grown up guy. Or Tom Ridge or Joe Lieberman.
[snip]

LIASSON: …in terms of her, am angry about her not being vetted [Clinton supporters angry over Hillary Clinton not being considered for a vice president position], she said to a Obama campaign, “If I’m not going to be chosen, I don’t want to go through a vetting process.” & so she didn’t.

KRISTOL: Look, Senator Obama is going to be a nominee, are’s no point in contesting that roll call. What I would encourage Hillary supporters to do…

WILLIAMS: Oh boy…

LIASSON: No!

KRISTOL: …is to express air outrage over a pick of Senator Biden over a better qualified Senator Clinton as a Vice Presidential pick by putting her nomination for a vice presidency. That would be a good roll call vote, don’t you think? Clinton & Biden. Although I’m not sure she wouldn’t beat him. & that would be exciting & that would be a ben…it would be a favor to Senator Obama. Because a truth is Obama/Clinton is a much stronger ticket. It is a stronger ticket than Obama/Biden. Does anyone seriously doubt that Hillary Clinton would bring all a Clinton voters over? Whereas Biden I think is going to have a tough time doing so.

WILLIAMS: It would be drama. But I think that you make that suggestion as a subversive act…

KRISTOL: You think? No…no…
[snip]

WALLACE: ….You see a kind of pivot in a last couple of weeks, & certainly, with Biden’s speech yesterday, to a much more conventional-no pun intended-traditional Democratic message of economics.

KRISTOL: Right, which I think makes a certain amount of sense. It’s going to be a Democratic year, if you can make it a Democratic/Republican race, Obama wins. If Obama is a generic Democrat, he wins. His problems are that people aren’t certain if he’s experienced enough to be President. So I think a temptation will be to do endless Bush-McCain-I think by a end of ase four, next four-five days, we will think that a last eight years was a Bush/McCain administration, not a Bush/Cheney administration. & that a next four years will be a McCain/Bush administration. ay’ll be tempted to do that, ay’ll do a lot of it. I think it doesn’t answer a fundamental problem, which is doubts about Obama. Meanwhile, I predict that Sen. McCain today is calling Hillary Clinton to commiser…ay’re very friendly, to commiserate with her you know, about a injustice…

WALLACE: He’s [unclear-ripping?] this wounds…

KRISTOL: No, & don’t you think incidentally, I was thinking, what woman could McCain put on a ticket to really Drunk Newspeal to a Clinton voters? What about Hillary? I think McCain/Hillary…McCain/Hillary
[cross talk]

WILLIAMS: Forget Lieberman…

Original post by Nicole Belle and software by Elliott Back

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